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BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby oldschool1 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:25 pm

BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

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Has anyone reading this ever installed an ACDelco 25528382 Accumulator Ball on their Lincoln Mark VIIs?
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby CDW6212R » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:45 pm

I think that's the right track to locate one for the Mark VII. There surely is one or more other choices which will work. The attachment connection has to be the main factor. But after finding compatible options, the pressure capacity should be relatively close between units.

These were all designed by the same company yes, those called a TEVES system? I'd noticed long ago that the ATE manufacturing letters are on the Mark VII main parts. That's a big well known braking system designer. How much different would varying cars be, in system brake pressure etc?
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Postby WHITEOXLSC » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:57 am

I understand that some people have tried them and it does fit. The capacity is a tad smaller but it does work. Of course this is information that I have been reading online, so without buying one and trying it for myself, I don't have definite proof. There is also one out there that fits BMW that looks very close, but without the specs of the nipple/thread size, can't really tell....... 8-)
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby oldschool1 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:05 am

This is a promising possibility.
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby thunderjet » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:01 pm

The ACDelco 25528382 will fit the Teves unit in a Mark VII. I have a friend who has an 87 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe which uses the exact same Teves unit that a Mark VII does. He installed an ACDelco 25528382 to replace the stock accumulator. It works great.

Here's the big issue: the ACDelco 25528382 is a discontinued part. Good luck finding one.
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby thunderjet » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:04 pm

This is another pricey option: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detai ... &ppt=C0009

Otherwise one could try contacting A1Cardone to see if they would sell you a accumulator separately.
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby 90 MarkVII BB » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:40 am

thunderjet wrote:The ACDelco 25528382 will fit the Teves unit in a Mark VII. I have a friend who has an 87 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe which uses the exact same Teves unit that a Mark VII does. He installed an ACDelco 25528382 to replace the stock accumulator. It works great.

Here's the big issue: the ACDelco 25528382 is a discontinued part. Good luck finding one.



This site *says* they have them, though who knows if its legit and their inventory is up to date...

http://oemcats.com/oem-parts/25528382.html

I've also read that the Jaguar part jlm1907, and Saab 4002267, are both the same AC Delco acumulator 25528382, just rebranded and boxed... Can't confirm that 100% though.
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby oldschool1 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:44 am

thunderjet wrote:The ACDelco 25528382 will fit the Teves unit in a Mark VII. I have a friend who has an 87 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe which uses the exact same Teves unit that a Mark VII does. He installed an ACDelco 25528382 to replace the stock accumulator. It works great.

Here's the big issue: the ACDelco 25528382 is a discontinued part. Good luck finding one.

Thanks for the facts.
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby oldschool1 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:50 am

thunderjet wrote:This is another pricey option: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detai ... &ppt=C0009

Otherwise one could try contacting A1Cardone to see if they would sell you a accumulator separately.

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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby oldschool1 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:05 am

90 MarkVII BB wrote:
thunderjet wrote:The ACDelco 25528382 will fit the Teves unit in a Mark VII. I have a friend who has an 87 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe which uses the exact same Teves unit that a Mark VII does. He installed an ACDelco 25528382 to replace the stock accumulator. It works great.

Here's the big issue: the ACDelco 25528382 is a discontinued part. Good luck finding one.



This site *says* they have them, though who knows if its legit and their inventory is up to date...

http://oemcats.com/oem-parts/25528382.html

I've also read that the Jaguar part jlm1907, and Saab 4002267, are both the same AC Delco acumulator 25528382, just rebranded and boxed... Can't confirm that 100% though.

25528382, Accumulator



Manufacturer:
GM Genuine Part

OEM part number:
25528382

Average price:
$178.31

Best price:
$139.46

Worth looking into.
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby alchemistoxford » Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:21 pm

Just noticed these items on eBay, "NEW Custom Jaguar Brake Accumulator Ball replaces discontinued Delco 25528382" & "NEW Brake Accumulator Ball Jaguar JLM1907 Delco 25528382 Saab 4002267" - here are the links:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Brake-Accum ... Qv&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/2821196386 ... noapp=true
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby oldschool1 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:42 pm

alchemistoxford wrote:Just noticed these items on eBay, "NEW Custom Jaguar Brake Accumulator Ball replaces discontinued Delco 25528382" & "NEW Brake Accumulator Ball Jaguar JLM1907 Delco 25528382 Saab 4002267" - here are the links:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Brake-Accum ... Qv&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/2821196386 ... noapp=true

This ~may~ work.
This part is compatible with 62 vehicle(s).
Notes Year Make Model Trim Engine
1996 Jaguar XJS All All
1995 Jaguar XJS All All
1994 Jaguar XJ6 All All
1994 Jaguar XJS All All
1993 Jaguar XJ6 All All
1993 Jaguar XJS All All
1992 Jaguar XJ6 All All
1992 Jaguar XJS All All
1991 Jaguar XJ6 All All
1991 Jaguar XJS All All
1990 Buick Electra All All
1990 Buick LeSabre All All
1990 Buick Reatta All All
1990 Buick Riviera Luxury Coupe 2-Door 3.8L 3800CC 231Cu. In. V6 GAS OHV Naturally Aspirated
1990 Cadillac DeVille All All
1990 Cadillac Eldorado All All
1990 Cadillac Fleetwood All All
1990 Cadillac Seville All All
1990 Jaguar XJ6 All All
1990 Jaguar XJS All All
1990 Oldsmobile 98 All All
1990 Oldsmobile Delta 88 All All
1990 Oldsmobile Toronado All All
1990 Pontiac 6000 All All
1989 Buick Electra All All
1989 Buick LeSabre All All
1989 Buick Reatta Base Coupe 2-Door 3.8L 3800CC 231Cu. In. V6 GAS OHV Naturally Aspirated
1989 Buick Riviera All All
1989 Cadillac DeVille All All
1989 Cadillac Eldorado All All
1989 Cadillac Fleetwood All All
1989 Cadillac Seville All All
1989 Jaguar XJS All All
1989 Oldsmobile 98 All All
1989 Oldsmobile Delta 88 All All
1989 Oldsmobile Toronado All All
1989 Pontiac 6000 All All
1988 Buick Electra All All
1988 Buick LeSabre All All
1988 Buick Reatta Base Coupe 2-Door 3.8L 3800CC 231Cu. In. V6 GAS OHV Naturally Aspirated
1988 Buick Riviera All All
1988 Cadillac DeVille All All
1988 Cadillac Eldorado All All
1988 Cadillac Fleetwood All All
1988 Cadillac Seville All All
1988 Jaguar XJS All All
1988 Oldsmobile 98 All All
1988 Oldsmobile Delta 88 All All
1988 Oldsmobile Toronado All All
1988 Pontiac 6000 All All
1987 Buick Electra All All
1987 Buick LeSabre All All
1987 Cadillac DeVille All All
1987 Cadillac Eldorado All All
1987 Oldsmobile 98 All All
1987 Oldsmobile Delta 88 All All
1987 Pontiac 6000 All All
1986 Buick Electra All All
1986 Cadillac DeVille All All
1986 Cadillac Eldorado All All
1986 Oldsmobile 98 All All
1986 Pontiac 6000 All All
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby CDW6212R » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:43 pm

That looks like a long list, and one could check local JY's, to get one to test fit if needed(given the $300-$400 cost for new).
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Postby ricardocordoba » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:20 pm

Any updates here?
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Postby oldschool1 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:12 pm

I unearthed one of my spares. I thought I had just an accumulator to send out for comparison but immediately, I don't.
I shot the info stamped on the ball and am looking for a comparable replacement. Though the proper thread and length is important, the operating pressure is just as important.

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Postby oldschool1 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:19 pm

210 Bars (b)
equals
3,045.792498 Pounds Per Square Inch (psi)
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Postby CDW6212R » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:52 pm

210 atmospheres is a lot, a ton really. 210 times 14.7psi is 3000+psi. I wouldn't poke one or crush it.
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Postby oldschool1 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:47 am

CDW6212R wrote:210 atmospheres is a lot, a ton really. 210 times 14.7psi is 3000+psi. I wouldn't poke one or crush it.

Yeah. 3,045.792498 pounds to be exact.
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Postby ricardocordoba » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:27 pm

Thank you for the updates on this. I'm still wondering if this ball would work on our application?
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby oldschool1 » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:25 pm

Yes.
A Jaguar Parts dealer verified that their part at least matches the pressure requirement (210 BAR or 3,045.7 PSI), but was unable to break the packaging to verify the pipe length and thread.

Brake Accumulator Ball Jaguar JLM1907 is at least a PRESSURE match.

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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:42 pm

This one on Ebay fits. There was a guy in the feedback that bought one for his 89 Thunderbird and he said it worked/fit great. I contacted him and confirmed it. It looks like the one I bought for the WhiteOx a year or so ago. Though pricey....what else are we going to do..... :roll:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BRAKE-ACCUMULATOR-Jaguar-JLM1907-Delco-25528382-Saab-4002267-1-HOUR-SHIPPING-/252532247087?hash=item3acc184a2f:g:31YAAOSw4HVWDC-h&vxp=mtr
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby ricardocordoba » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:45 pm

Thank you for posting that. I see there is other at higher prices and a knockoff at a lower price. Anyways, thank you again.
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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby Doloresace50 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:42 pm

I have a 1987 Mark 7 I was told I need accumulator ball no one will work on the car and the ABS part that I need is $1,300 can somebody please help me
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Postby oldschool1 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:17 pm

Doloresace50 wrote:I have a 1987 Mark 7 I was told I need accumulator ball no one will work on the car and the ABS part that I need is $1,300 can somebody please help me

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Re: BRAKE ACCUMULATOR REPLACEMENTS

Postby MarkVII88 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:57 am

Having recently bought a '91 Cadillac Fleetwood coupe, in research I found that '88-'90 Fleetwoods as well as other Cadillac and GM cars used the early Teves ABS brake system. These AC Delco units were used in those cars and would probably be suitable in Mark VIIs as well. Might be odd installing a Delco part in a Motorcraft application but these days anything goes; I would prefer doing that to installing a part made in China. In all honesty I was a little relieved to find no Teves unit under the hood of my Cadillac.
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Doloresace50 wrote:I have a 1987 Mark 7 I was told I need accumulator ball no one will work on the car and the ABS part that I need is $1,300 can somebody please help me

My post here should be eminently useful to you: http://www.thelincolnmarkviiclub.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9714#p80919
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