Steering Shaft

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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby ND4SPDLSC » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:01 am

The Mustang part should transfer, but I'm not 100% sure on a '90+. I'm using a Maximum Motorsports shaft in my '86. You shouldn't need the SN95 shaft unless you swapped to a newer steering rack. Is a stock one available from Mustangs Unlimited?
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Wed May 23, 2012 10:19 pm

Bump. I'm searching for updated information for swapping the rack from a 94-04 Mustang into my Mark VII. I have discovered how to make the conversion for any Fox Mustang, but it mentions here that the Mark VII has a different steering shaft.

Is that true, does the Mark VII not use the same steering shaft as any Fox Mustang?
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:03 am

you ever locate a stock replacement? Looking for one right now and getting nowhere on an aftermarket steering shaft!
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:43 am

I did figure out what's going on with our 90-92 Mark VII's. Those cars have a unique short steering shaft, because there is an intermediate shaft between that and the steering column. Evidently these were the first Fords to use a shorter steering column, so there is a unique set of parts at the firewall, plus the steering shaft. I put my car back together using a spare rack I had.

I found out after later that a Mark VII owner used a later 94-04 Mustang rack, plus a 94-04 steering shaft. He discovered that the later shaft will directly fit into the 90-92 Mark VII's with the later rack. The later steering shafts are too different from the Mark VII shaft, it would be a big deal to modify them to change the end.

The best answer is to buy a 94-04 Mustang steering rack and shaft, those should bolt right in. I have them both now, I'm waiting a while until I do some other things first.
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby mark007 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:07 pm

i'll have to dig up my oldinfo from the other computer, but a few years back Disney and i pieced together what we needed to make our own steering shaft. i choose to go with a custom fox rack from AGR. the steer shaft pieces were from Flaming River. Bar stock was shaped and used to mate to the shorter steering knuckle. but the most important thing was getting rid of the sloppy rag joint. see if i can get some pics when i go back over to the body shop.
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:54 pm

Update for anyone needing a replacement rack for their Mark VII;

I just finished installing a new AGR rack into my 91 Mark VII. The 1984-89 Marks can swap to 94-04 racks in the same way as Fox Mustangs can, using a hybrid steering shaft from MM.

As I mentioned above, the 90-92 Marks have two steering shafts, due to the new style of short steering column. Any 94-04 steering rack can be swapped into these cars by also using the matching 94-04 steering shafts. The length of the 94-04 Mustang shaft is the same as both 90-92 Mark VI shafts bolted together. They actually look about the same setting side by side. I'm sorry I couldn't take a comparison picture, I was rushing to get it all done that same day, plus make a doctor's appointment, and the alignment.

The stock Mark VII upper/intermediate steering shaft is very easy to unbolt from the steering column. After removing the nuts holding the plastic cover under the column(not at the steering wheel), the bolt is right there between the brake pedal and column. It's not comfortable to lay there in the floor of course, but the bolt head is easy to get to once you turn the steering wheel to point the bolt head down.

As for the 94-04 racks, this AGR rack has a much heavier feel to it than the stock "Fox" racks. I'm not thrilled about that, and would choose the 03/04 Cobra rack if I did it again. The other 94-04 racks are better than the "Fox" racks, which is the point of changing. But you have to use a different steering shaft to match the unique rack input shaft shape.

I tried a used Mark VII rack I had, and it developed a leak. I suggest never using a used rack unless it just came out of a car and you know it was not leaking. If you need a replacement rack, deal with Ford and order an 03/04 remanufactured Cobra rack. They have a core charge, so find a used 94-04 rack to turn in. I don't know if they will take a Fox rack as a core, that is a thought.
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby LLFordman » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:40 pm

Hey Don, my 90 SE has a good rack and tie rods in it but the u-joint above is shot. Did you ever find any stock replacement options for it? I don't have the budget (or need) to swap the rack right now. I just want to get rid of the chatter in the steering wheel from the loose u-joint.
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:23 pm

The connection at the rack is shaped differently from the 79-93's, versus 94-05's. Thus the best bet is another 90-92 Mark VII lower steering shaft. I can send you my old one, it seems good, with 120kish miles on it.

I didn't post a picture of the shafts laid side by side, but the old pair of Mark VII shafts(there is a lower and an upper) are exactly the same length as the 94-04 shaft. The only real difference is the connection at the rack. The 94-04 rack swap directly except for that same connection, thus the Mustang shaft is needed.

I have the shaft handy in my garage, send me an email and I'll get it to you. 98Mountaineer@comcast.net
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby LLFordman » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:14 pm

That sounds great. Much appreciated. I will get an email out to you shortly.

Thanks Don!
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby Akurei14 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:45 am

a member on here has a flaming river shaft with no isues on his 88.... maybe he can chime in, see if i can get ahold of him
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:08 pm

Akurei14 wrote:a member on here has a flaming river shaft with no isues on his 88.... maybe he can chime in, see if i can get ahold of him

The 84-89 cars have a different steering shaft than the 90-92's, because the steering column is different.

Here is what the 90-92 Mark VII uses for a steering column, upper and lower shaft. The upper shaft barely comes through the firewall, you can see the area on the plastic sleeve, where it rides inside of a torrington bearing.

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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:02 am

I have recently got my new u-joint from: http://theujointstore.com/ they had our cars in the database and should be able to just get this pressed in my old lower Joint. Can you pull that shaft without pulling the column, or do you need to remove the column to give it play??




I need to replace the joint in the lower part of the shaft closest to the rack. I used your pic bro

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Here is my joint from the store good guys real cheap!

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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:03 pm

I need to unplug air bag to take off steering column?????
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:56 pm

SLICKRICK wrote:I need to unplug air bag to take off steering column?????


Yes, but first disconnect the battery for 10-15 minutes. There is a connector for the airbag underneath it.
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:32 am

No way to leave it connected just to get the shaft out? I dont want to take the column completely off if i dont have to!
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:01 pm

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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:05 pm

SLICKRICK wrote:...

I need to replace the joint in the lower part of the shaft closest to the rack. I used your pic bro...




That lower shaft will come out from the engine bay. Both bolts at each end have to be removed, and then the shaft will compress a little. It's hard to compress it, so try to do that when you take the top bolt out first.




You also posted on the other Lincoln forum, asking about the steering column for changing what I thought was the upper steering shaft.

Any time the airbag is going to be disconnected, the battery has to also, first.
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby artbaileyjr » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:27 pm

You can drop the glove box out and reach up and disconnect the back-up power supply.
It's pretty easy.

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You can just disconnect everything at the bottom of the steering column here:

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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:36 am

I am trying to take out the shaft that runs through the fire wall. I should have been more clear. the lower shaft is what bolts to the rack right? My problem is right when the upper shaft comes through the firewall there is a joint that connects that upper shaft to the lower that bolts into the rack. that joint is shot, and I am wanting just to take that upper shaft out. I thought the spring on the steering column was what kept that shaft assembly in place? If i could remove that UPPER shaft without removing the column that would be awesome. If I HAVE to remove the column to get that upper shaft out I thought I might be able to leave everything connected and just have the column kinda hang there? sorry for all the confussion and thanks for the help
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:21 pm

The steering column doesn't need to be touched, the upper shaft connects to it with one bolt.

The lower shaft will compress, the upper one will not. You need to remove two bolts, one on each end of the upper shaft, the one you want to remove. Take those out, which is just a matter of turning the steering wheel to orient the bolts to where you can put a socket on them.

The make the lower shaft compress enough to get it out from the upper shaft. Once those are apart, the upper shaft can be fished out I'm sure.
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:10 pm

thats sound s good up till lower shaft compress ? You can push that lower shaft down on the rack? I have loosened these bolts(the failed attempt to take this shaft out before) and that was as far as i got because i couldnt get the shaft off? Do I just try to push down on the lower shaft is that what you mean by compress?
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby CDW6212R » Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:30 pm

The lower shaft does compress, under the rubber boot is a slip joint like a driveshaft might have. It isn't easy to make it compress, but it will.
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:38 pm

Thanks will be replacing this soon. granted the joint I got is the right fit. Hopefully this will be helpful to alot of others I've heard trying to look for these shafts instead of just getting a new joint put it one!( i was one of these people having looked for a shaft for a good 8mnths) Thanks Again
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:36 pm

Found a used shaft today in Mimms FL. Got it for fifty bucks and it comes with the lower. So at least I can swap this one out while I get that other one repaired. Tip for someone looking for a used one: did used part search for steering column, and come to find out most yards that had pulled a column, had a shaft with it. :idea:
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Re: Steering Shaft

Postby slickrick » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:15 pm

trying to change that today. any tips on compressing that lower shaft?? do i need to remove tht clip under the rubber boot, because i can get it to compress about a half inch and then it springs right back into the upper shaft????
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