1/4 times?

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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby JoshMcMadMac » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:31 pm

Mr. Dancy probably has the numbers closer than I do, but a stock ¼mile time can be anywhere from 15.8 - 17.8 depending on the year, model, condition, etc. How much is "lil dough" to you? A bottle of N2O can get you quicker cheap, as can a junkyard turbo setup.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby pkv88mkvii » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:01 pm

I am running 12.30 @ 110. We are shooting for 11.30 soon. We are installing the new, bigger supercharger with intercooler. My experience has shown that a stock Mark runs around 16.70 @ 84 mph. I'm not running the bottle, but I agree it's the cheapest way to a quick quarter mile.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby gadget73 » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:21 pm

Just keep in mind, its a heavier Mustang. Just about anything that works on a Mustang works on the Lincoln, though you really do want to keep in mind that extra weight means you need more bottom end torque. There are some items that are not the same, specifically the fact that the Lincoln uses speed-density EFI where 89+ Mustangs use mass air. Most of this stuff can be gotten around, but it really depends on your goals and budget.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:06 am

johnnyv8 wrote:Just wondering what you guys are running? stock times ? how fast can you go for lil dough?


What Josh said! Keep in mind that the "stock" Mark VII came with gas engines of 140 to 225 HP and rear end ratios from 2.73 to 3.27. Depending on the year and combination, the 15.8 to 17.8 is about right. For instance, the 15.8 would be expected of any 1988-1992 LSC w/3.27 rear. On the other hand, my 87 BB(20k) w/2.73 did the 17.8. All Mark VII's are not the same. 8-)
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1989 LSC Medium Sandalwood (62) Mass air+ 111k FOR SALE $900.
1986 BB (8T) stock 125k (wife'sDD)
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1987 Base Model White (9L) 107k (2.73rear)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby artbaileyjr » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:12 pm

mustangjon wrote:my baseline last spring was 16.6 @ 86 ( i know time is right forgot the exact mph) I did have underdrive pullies and electric fan at that point, but other than that was 130k motor. Baseline run was full weight and actually had a passenger with me.

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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby JoshMcMadMac » Sat May 09, 2009 6:37 pm

hot rod lincoln wrote:like mustangjon said,gut it and small nos shot--that worked for me.With 100% stock motor,trans,rear,tires,etc,200,000 mi,OD already wasted,I broke into the 13's at 103mph with nothing but a 60 shot,not engaged till 3,000rpm to be on the safe side

The giggle-juice can be the best bang-for-the-buck when it comes to going fast. 8-)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 50mark7 » Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:13 pm

I ran 15.50@92 all stock except exhaust and premium gas and rear tires a little shorter then stock. i also manually shifted it.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:35 am

I took a little jaunt out to Rockingham NC (195 miles) on saturday with my 89 LSC. It is stock 59k car except for exhaust, cold air kit and a tranny shift kit. WX was great-cool 57 degrees and 57% humidity. I went through tech right off the road and then right out for a run. No tire air change and didn't unload any stuff. (Weighed 4085 w/about 12-13 gal gas). Only got two runs in, first was best at 15.551 and 89.8 and the second was about an hour later 15.728 at 89.65. I lost focus staging and the r/t on the second run was .522 after a .074 the first time. I didn't want to wait long enough to get another run in as it was taking too long and had a 3 hr drive home. Had fun though. Times were better than earlier in the month at the SSHS9 over at Atlanta Dragway. :D
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:57 pm

hot rod lincoln wrote:400 mi round trip to get in 2 runs?!?! :o


Well, it's not a regular thing, but I belong to the Carolina Riders Club and they were sponsoring the track that day. I had entered and planned to do bracket racing in the street car class, but at the rate they were going, it would have been over after dark and I wasn't ready to make the return trip then, it's pretty boring on the incomplete I-74. It can turn foggy the last 50-75 miles under the conditions we have been having. Make it a judgement call by the old guy ;)
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1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) mostly stock 99k.
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) 124k, stock, needs air suspension & bodywork.
1989 Light Titanium c/c (11) Bill Blass - stock. miles unk
1989 LSC Medium Sandalwood (62) Mass air+ 111k FOR SALE $900.
1986 BB (8T) stock 125k (wife'sDD)
1987 BB (4L) stock (miles unk)
1987 Base Model White (9L) 107k (2.73rear)
1984 Turbo Diesel Base model, Platinum (1Q), 131k+ FOR SALE $1000.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby gadget73 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:28 am

jrod wrote: On the stock tires from 92 lol.


Lucky those didn't explode on you. DO yourself a favor and get rid of those asap.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby oldschool1 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:16 am

I'm only about a year late posting here but ... OldSchool2, the 1989, bone stock with a 220 pound driver, was 15.8.

14.98 with bolt ons and NO work done to the block.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby eightlives » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:41 pm

yah we need to have a drag meet one of these days...
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby gadget73 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:44 pm

I'll bring the modified Towncar. Its almost as fast as a stock Mark VII.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby gadget73 » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:13 am

Only time the Townie has been to the track since the last major work on it she ran a 16.02. Its respectable for a car that normally has 1/4 times in the mid-high 17 second range, but its not that impressive. I've run it with the HO at a worst of 17.85, though that was with the cam a tooth off and massive blowby. I have dynoed the motor to 202 at the rear wheels, but that was before the mass air swap and running horribly lean. It hasn't been on the rollers since, but its got a lot more grunt to it. Its still silky smooth though, which is what I really wanted. I think the next and maybe last thing I plan to do is replace the worn out used roller rockers with a new set to get rid of the valvetrain noise and replace the welded together Explorer intake with a ported one.


Maybe soonish I'll install my P heads on the Mark VII with a ported stock lower. Never had it on the track, but it would be interesting to see what a 232k all original engine would do.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby warwgn » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:38 am

I'd like to see what my totally stock 90 BB would run with 3.08 gears... It'd be nice to know if I I can get my my dad to stop bragging about his 2.2L Turbo 4cyl 88 Dodge Daytona Shelby Z, that rarely gets let out of the garage...
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby Mk007 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:49 pm

well I recently went to the track and ran two 14.9s and two 14.6s with a basic bolt on 5 speed mark VII that tipped the scales at 3796 with me in.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby eightlives » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:37 am

I am hoping for mid 13s once I get a 3:73 tracloc rear.

anything faster would be a great day.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 50mark7 » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:34 pm

15.25 with exhaust and a 4.10 gear
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby oldschool1 » Sat May 08, 2010 9:06 pm

SWEET!

This is EXACTLY what I tell people to do BEFORE modifying their ride;
get a base line then
modify
test
modify
test
modify
test.

Like some fast Dude once said,
"You're not really going fast enough until you start to break stuff."
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby eightlives » Sat May 08, 2010 11:00 pm

oldschool1 wrote:
Like some fast Dude once said,
"You're not really going fast enough until you start to break stuff."



well damn John if that is the case I must be going REALLY fast. LOL
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby oldschool1 » Sat May 08, 2010 11:17 pm

You and that other go-fast Dude are keeping Rock Auto afloat ... and having fun doing it ;)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby Mk007 » Tue May 11, 2010 2:47 pm

here is a video of one of my slower runs of the day.

All stock except the 5 speed, exhaust, pulleys and "Cobra" rockers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEvbUe9CgI
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby brent » Tue May 11, 2010 3:33 pm

artbaileyjr wrote:
mustangjon wrote:my baseline last spring was 16.6 @ 86 ( i know time is right forgot the exact mph) I did have underdrive pullies and electric fan at that point, but other than that was 130k motor. Baseline run was full weight and actually had a passenger with me.

They let you run with a passenger?
Wow! You can't get away with that here!

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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby artbaileyjr » Wed May 12, 2010 12:23 am

brent wrote:
artbaileyjr wrote:
mustangjon wrote:my baseline last spring was 16.6 @ 86 ( i know time is right forgot the exact mph) I did have underdrive pullies and electric fan at that point, but other than that was 130k motor. Baseline run was full weight and actually had a passenger with me.

They let you run with a passenger?
Wow! You can't get away with that here!

Art

At Irwindale 1/8th mile you can!

Wow! Back in the day, you couldn't even stage at Irwindale with someone in the car... but they didn't have 1/8th mile. It was 1/4 or nothing.
(Just shows how long it's been since I've been through the trapps...)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby oldschool1 » Mon May 31, 2010 1:36 pm

Good.

You'll appreciate it as time goes by especially when you see what does and does not work by itself and with other systems.

Everyday people get tremendous improovement with starting with the basics of replacing aged stock parts with their new counterparts (pun intended).
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