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Passenger reclining seat

Postby cfcjr » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:26 pm

I had to put a rather large carton in the Lincoln and reclined the passenger seat to it's limit, but now it will not return to a sitting position. The bottom switch works perfectly, but the recliner goes neither up or down. Possibilities? Most likely culprit?
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:28 pm

cfcjr wrote:I had to put a rather large carton in the Lincoln and reclined the passenger seat to it's limit, but now it will not return to a sitting position. The bottom switch works perfectly, but the recliner goes neither up or down. Possibilities? Most likely culprit?


Sounds like the motor jammed. Did you try to lift the seat back while pushing the button. Might be worth a try. The switch is all one switch so if the rest of it works, then I suspect the gears in the motor jammed when you tilted it back all the way.

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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby oldschool1 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:35 am

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I have lost TWO seats to these coins.

A dime can rest on top of the gears for our seat backs until that fateful day when we need to transport a six foot ladder of other ominous item on the passenger side of our cars. We fully recline the seat, load up AND deliver said object and prepare to be on our merry way only to find that said seat will NOT go upright. A temporary fix is to wrap a milk crate in a towel and use it to prop up the seat to get our Mark VIIs to a location where this can be fixed.

In BOTH of my instances, even the smallest pair of needle nose pliers were unable to remove the ten cent coin from the jaws of the gears.

BEFORE RECLINING OUR SEATS, WE NEED TO CHECK FOR COINS IN THE GEARS!
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby Falkon » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:14 pm

I'm voting for the switch. I took apart mine when the driver's seat went back but not forward. Each direction has a separate contact. One of mine was corroded. Do the interior lights dim a little bit when you press the down, but not up position? If so, the motor works but switch is faulty.
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby cfcjr » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:05 pm

I won't know for sure until weekend, but it does NOT dim the lights when the seat back recliner switch is pushed either up or down.
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:22 pm

cfcjr wrote:I won't know for sure until weekend, but it does NOT dim the lights when the seat back recliner switch is pushed either up or down.


Check for power at the motor, if no power at the motor when seat switch is pushed then maybe the switch.
This is what it looks like apart. Many parts but if you study it, it really isn't bad to put back together after cleaning.

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Yes I know the side plastic is missing a piece, that's why I tore this one apart to see what was inside :lol: :mrgreen:
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:50 pm

This is the reason my drivers seat would not recline all the way back. Goes to show you how powerful those motors are :lol: :mrgreen:

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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby mike9251578 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:11 pm

Thanks for the pictures of the switch. My passenger seat will recline with no issues, but trying to bring it up again it intermittent. I figured it was the switch and was a little intimidated tearing into it. Now seeing what's inside, I think I can fix it. I have read that the challenge is taking off the door panel. Did you have to take off the entire door panel to get to the switch?

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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby Falkon » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:03 pm

No, you just take off the trim around the switch, and the screws that hold the switch panel on. The switches unplug from the harness, w/ the rest of the door panel intact. Easy.
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby mike9251578 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:03 pm

Perfect! Thanks!
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:21 pm

As Falkon said, just remove the trim and remove the screws. Remove the panel and unplug the wiring

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The panel then is easy to move to your workbench for disassembly

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Switch can then be removed from the panel by removing the attaching screws....

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Good luck on your repair
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby mike9251578 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:34 pm

Thank you so much for the pictures and instructions on how to take the trip apart. I always get nervous about taking trim off because all I hear in my head is the snaps and clips and stuff breaking. I know that not always the case, but I still try to be as cautious as possible to avoid breaking anything. It's going to be next weekend before I get a chance to tear into the trim panel, but wil let you know how it turns out. Thanks again for the help. :D
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby CDW6212R » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:20 pm

WHITEOXLSC wrote:As Falkon said, just remove the trim and remove the screws.

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Hi Bruce, why is there a spot there missing something on your panel?



Psst, it's for a memory seat switch, never optioned.
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:36 pm

CDW6212R wrote:
WHITEOXLSC wrote:As Falkon said, just remove the trim and remove the screws.

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Hi Bruce, why is there a spot there missing something on your panel?



Psst, it's for a memory seat switch, never optioned.

Yes I know. I posted this very same question a long time ago under the thread "a point to ponder". I think you mentioned that then :P :lol: I still wonder why on such a highly optioned car such as the Mark VII, they did not offer it. They must of thought they were going to though :lol: :mrgreen:

Have you upgraded yours to memory seat yet?
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:14 pm

Oh I forgot to mention, this is the piece of trim you need to remove to access the switch panel screws

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It's held on by friction clips. Take your time as these pieces can bend easily and sometimes the clips grip hard. Also sometimes the clip will come out with the panel so you will have to remove it from the trim piece and reinstall into the panel before putting the trim back on....

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Cheers :mrgreen:
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby CDW6212R » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:03 pm

WHITEOXLSC wrote:...

Have you upgraded yours to memory seat yet?


No, unfortunately last year there were two Town Cars at the Pull a Part which had the memory and auto dimming mirror. I missed those, and they have not had another like them yet. I need to find a 95-97 TC with the memory seat option, and get all of the wiring leading to the seat and mirrors(memory mirrors also). That will take some time to remove those wires.
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby mike9251578 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:19 pm

Thanks for the additional post on the trim.i figured they were a tension fit. I'll be sure and take my time.
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:09 pm

mike9251578 wrote:Thanks for the additional post on the trim.i figured they were a tension fit. I'll be sure and take my time.


You are welcome, that's what this site is all about. Good luck on the repair and keep us posted....

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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:13 pm

CDW6212R wrote:
WHITEOXLSC wrote:...

Have you upgraded yours to memory seat yet?


No, unfortunately last year there were two Town Cars at the Pull a Part which had the memory and auto dimming mirror. I missed those, and they have not had another like them yet. I need to find a 95-97 TC with the memory seat option, and get all of the wiring leading to the seat and mirrors(memory mirrors also). That will take some time to remove those wires.


You will find one when you least expect it. I found the CD disc jockey system I was looking for and I was in the yard for something else at the time. Good things come to those who wait. :mrgreen:
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby cfcjr » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:38 am

Falkon, your vote is correct. It WAS the switch. All set again.
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:26 pm

cfcjr wrote:Falkon, your vote is correct. It WAS the switch. All set again.


Did you tear it apart and clean it or just replace the entire switch assembly with another one? Congrats on the repair :mrgreen:
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby cfcjr » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:46 pm

Just a little tuner cleaner from Radio Shack. I don't believe they call it tuner cleaner any more, but old habits die hard.
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby WHITEOXLSC » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:56 pm

cfcjr wrote:Just a little tuner cleaner from Radio Shack. I don't believe they call it tuner cleaner any more, but old habits die hard.


Yeah I think they call it electronic contact cleaner or something like that. "Tuner cleaner" your dating yourself. :D I remember having to get up off of the couch to "tune" the (maybe one of ten) stations on the TV :lol: :mrgreen: Glad it worked out...
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby Brad4d » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:12 pm

So today was a nice day to do a bit of interior work I've been putting off. At 15 degrees (that's around 60 F in 'Merican talk), I figured I wouldn't break anything from cold. I took out the seat switches, as mentioned in this post. Both work, except for incline of the backrest. I also removed the tripminder, and overhead compass & clock, to be sent to Paul. I only want to do this once, and I doubt if spray alone will clean the seat switch contacts. What is suggested for mechanical cleaning. Eraser, paper, emery cloth?? I certainly don't want to be too aggressive. I'll buy proper cleaner, that leaves some protectant behind, rather than isopropyl. Lot's of tiny parts...I can't wait. I enjoy this type of work. Also, is spraying plastic safe cleaner into the harnesses OK? How long to wait before reconnecting them?
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Re: Passenger reclining seat

Postby oldschool1 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:57 am

Wow.
Two short replies until I get to a PC.

Eraser.

Never never never spray contacts. REPLACE THEM.
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